tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19648043.post1862406392573074691..comments2023-10-15T12:59:03.688+01:00Comments on doingITbetter: Chosing vendors for the ECM Reportalan pelz-sharpehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05296176174147804320noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19648043.post-11679168644695721192006-12-19T13:26:00.000+00:002006-12-19T13:26:00.000+00:00Anoymous,
agreed - there are two emerging paths, ...Anoymous,<br /><br />agreed - there are two emerging paths, the platform and the application and its about finding the right fit. There are no 'bad' ECM vendors but there are some 'bad' fits - as I am writing the report I am trying to address exactly these issues. Not sure I will crack them all in version 1 for next March - but I hope that we get this message (platform/application/correct fit) across properly - as well as covering off most of the players. But there are other issues too that I am wondering how to deal with - around security (prompted by James Governor on his blog) and what should be at the platform level and what is best at the application level etc??<br />alan<br /><br />Best<br />Alanalan pelz-sharpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05296176174147804320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19648043.post-80500688840351760852006-12-19T05:33:00.000+00:002006-12-19T05:33:00.000+00:00Alan
I agree with you that many of these assessme...Alan<br /><br />I agree with you that many of these assessments are difficult to follow and are often dependent upon the marketing capabilities o vendors. ECM is a collection of a number of dirrerent technologies which most organisations already have some. I am always intrigued by the fact that some vendors such as TOWER Software Hyland and Interwoven do not get more credit for their focussed approaches to market.<br />I also agree that Microsoft should be included primarily due to market presence and influenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19648043.post-21108921005885612672006-12-14T17:45:00.000+00:002006-12-14T17:45:00.000+00:00Thanks Jan - much appreciate the comments!
On Mic...Thanks Jan - much appreciate the comments!<br /><br />On Microsoft I think that they have to be included. As they will be considered for many peoples long or short lists (they already are). So inclusion in this case is not a defacto statement regarding their technology and its maturity. It is a statement that they are a major player - and as the reports are written solely with buyers in mind I believe they have to be considered.<br />The report will be highly critical (constructively so I hope) of all the ECM vendors equally (including Microsoft) as the objective is to inform the buyer to make better decisions.<br />Best :-)<br />Alanalan pelz-sharpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05296176174147804320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19648043.post-86861106328466330532006-12-14T17:34:00.000+00:002006-12-14T17:34:00.000+00:00Alan,
While I quite respect Gartner, your comments...Alan,<br />While I quite respect Gartner, your comments/doubts on the Gartner Magic Quadrant(MQ)for ECM are well founded. Gartner have always puzzled me on what grounds they include/exclude certain vendors in the ECM MQ, and on how they rate them. Yes, they do provide a list of criteria on how they do this, but they don't go into much depth in showing the justification for their rating. I'm equally surprised they don't do a WCM MQ (only a MarketScope) as they did way back in 2002, as this would help decide whether some of the vendors are ECM or WCM.<br />I applaud the CMS Watch Report and especially the WCM ForresterWave from Forrester which goes into some detail in explaining how they score each of the vendors. Gartner should learn from this, and I hope blogs like this one will help them to do so.<br />Lastly, I see you answer that Microsoft will be included in your ECM Report. Can't say I'm convinced about this, especially since CMSWatch themselves have placed them previously in areas such as "Upper Tier". Yes, they have developed it further but see Tony's cautious note "SharePoint 2007: Ring in the new...and the old" which I tend to agree with.Jan Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15077393727010727031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19648043.post-77218720939398316792006-12-12T15:23:00.000+00:002006-12-12T15:23:00.000+00:00Yes Microsoft for more than one reason - firstly t...Yes Microsoft for more than one reason - firstly they now have an ECM system (MOSS 07), but in some regards more importantly they are on almost everyones long list, and increasingly short list for ECM.<br /><br />Another reason is that so many others are building off their 'platform'.<br /><br />Best<br />Alanalan pelz-sharpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05296176174147804320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19648043.post-21067907918489078362006-12-12T15:19:00.000+00:002006-12-12T15:19:00.000+00:00Alan,
I assume you are including Microsoft along ...Alan,<br /><br />I assume you are including Microsoft along with Oracle, IBM, EMC and Open Text??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19648043.post-73810410356575338672006-12-12T13:55:00.000+00:002006-12-12T13:55:00.000+00:00Extremely good approach Alan.
Local vendors tend ...Extremely good approach Alan.<br /><br />Local vendors tend to have some differentiators up their sleeves. For example - who can offer spell check in Swedish - the language of "dynamic" words but the local companies.<br /><br />I would love to see companies who have found their niche in industry solutions getting a mention. Like industry specific document management solutions for Health Care (with all their legal compliance needs), for Legal ( with all their advanced search and classification needs) and more.<br /><br />Another interesting angle will be to take the most respected, most complex, most innovative companies and talk about what product or combination they use - possibly across the stack. <br /><br />I will egerly await the issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com